Monday, March 23, 2009

The Viking-Irish Redhead Gene Myth

"Where do they get the money? Coming up redheaded curates from the county Leitrim, rinsing empties and old man in the cellar." —James Joyce (himself, a redhead), Ulysses, Calypso Ch. IV, Mr. Bloom stepping out.
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OK, so why is it that every St. Paddy's Day, silly redhead stereotypes and myths foam up and froth over like bad green beer, equating Irish redheads with the Viking invasions when Vikings are generally blond or dark-haired? 

Clearly, Classical writings and epic literature documents that there were many redheads in Ireland (and in Celtic Europe) long before the Vikings were a concept, let alone, a force to be reckoned with—looming on the distant horizon of the Irish Sea. This redheaded Viking gene theory smacks of a cultural hangover from the 19th century Romantic Thought, where, in its extremest hour, the notion of racial superiority was crossbred with ideals of Romantic Nationalism. (See Viking Revivalism.)

Though there were indeed redheaded (and dark-haired) Scandinavian Vikings, the idea that a rogue redheaded Viking gene was introduced to Ireland and then the Irish all madly inbred like island rabbits to concentrate that said gene, is an an urban—er, make that a seafaring—myth. Besides, the Old Norse word "víking" is a verb (er, noun). Let us go a-viking (a roving) through these schools of red-herringed thought to see what booty comes of it.


Red is the rarest hair color in the world: less than 4% of world's population has naturally red hair. Scotland and Ireland have an unusually high incidence of redheadedness: it is reported* that redheadedness in Scotland currently weighs in at 11- to 13% of the populace, and Ireland at 10%. By contrast, most northern European populations tally in at about 2%. The rest of the world: 1%. Sweden (a big Viking stronghold), curiously, has almost no redheads at all.

(Note Bene: I'm not sure how I would actually verify any of these findings. I tried to use reputable web sites, BBC Science, etc., for my data, but I'm merely reporting back what I've read. So read everything written here with a grain of salt.*)

Scientists agree that red hair is more common among those with genetic roots in northwestern Europe, especially Ireland and Scotland (and by extension, Argentina, and Australia—via immigration and penal colonies). This means that more Celtic Scottish (vs. Lowlander Scots) and Irish people carry redheaded genes to produce all those redheaded offsprings than other cultures. Irish people carry the highest ratio of red-haired gene (and its variations) in the world.


Redheadedness is a recessive gene: a genetic mutation. This means red hair only occurs when two people carrying that same recessive gene marker, have children who also inherit that same recessive gene. Who pass it onto their children. And so on. Ad infinitem.

The recessive gene for red hair was discovered in 1995-1997 by Edinburgh University Professor, Dr. Jonathan Rees, who conducted a study on redheads and identified the single gene responsible for red hair: melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R), on the 16th chromosome.

Dr. Rees found more redheads in Scotland than in Ireland, but then, his study was conducted in Scotland, not in Ireland. And these days, most women either color or henna their hair red while the natural redheads go blonde or dark. Go figure. When it came to all those redheads confessing to their natural hair color (only their hairdressers knew for sure), I guess he had to take their word on it.

So far, I've found no evidence that Dr. Rees, or any geneticist, equates Irish red hair with the introduction of roving Viking or Finnish genes. If anything, it was probably a stray bit of Irish (or Scottish) DNA in the Viking gene pool that introduced redheadedness to Scandinavia as the Dublin Norse-Gael Vikings routinely took Irish wives, and some of them (and their offspring) went back home to Scandinavia. 

But most Norse-Gael Vikings followed the migrating wild Irish swans and geese west—to West Scandinavia, that is—Iceland and the Faroe Islands. So if the Irish origin of the melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) is true, then those westernmost European isles should harbor hotbeds of redheads. 

(You might want to also read up on the golden gene, as fair skin and light hair is a linked sequence of genes in those of European descent, but not for those of Asian descent who might have light-colored eyes, yet retain darker skin coloration. Also check out the Stanford links on the MC1R  gene that determines red hair. Skin color is also linked to MC1R –freckled folks are often red hair gene carriers. And there's even a link to test for red hair: RedTracer DNA.)


Early medieval Irish Annals and Hiberno-Norse-Icelandic literature reveals that most Vikings were blond (or dark), but not red-haired.
According to the Irish Annals of Ulster: in 851 AD, there was a large pitched battle between the "fair-haired" and "dark-haired Vikings. The dark heathens came to Áth Cliath, made a great slaughter of the fair-haired foreigners, and plundered the naval encampment, both people and property. The dark heathens made a raid at Linn Duachaill, and a great number of them were slaughtered. 
Afterwards the Danes seized the women and gold and all the goods of the Norwegians, and thus the Lord took from them all the wealth they had taken from the churches and holy places and shrines of the saints of Ireland.  Fragmentary Annals of IrelandIn 852 The complement of eight score ships of fair-haired foreigners came to Snám Aignech (Louth), to do battle with the dark foreigners; they fought for three days and three nights, but the dark foreigners got the upper hand and the others abandoned their ships to them. Annals of Ulster For a detailed gory account of the battle, see the Fragmentary Annals of IrelandIn 927 AD, the Vikings left Ireland to plunder Britain. The fleet of Linn Duachaill departed and Gothfrith abandoned Áth Cliath; and Gothfrith returned again within six monthsAnnals of Ulster.
If the Vikings were redheads, they were singled out with monikers like Erik the Red (Eirík rauða), or Rus, or Rurik or Erik Battle-axe. Red could also signify ruddy cheeks/skin, hair color, or bloody, as in battle. Some Vikings painted themselves red before a battle (to hide the blood?).

(Viking timeline.)

 The earliest recorded Viking raid was in the Hebrides, in 795 AD. The monastery at Iona was plundered and it is recorded that the Vikings landed on Rathlin Island. (BTW, The Hebrides—settled by Irish Gaels, or the Scoti of the overkingdom of Dál Riata were not part of Scotland until fairly recent times.) 

By the summer of 802, the Viking raiders reached the monastery on the Skellig isles, off the West of Ireland. It wasn't until 832 that the Vikings ventured inland to take Irish slaves. Previous to that, the Vikings had a pretty grim slash-and-burn policy. Take no prisoners.

The first Viking over-wintering settlements in Ireland were in Louth and in Dublin during the winter of 840-41. The Irish found that Vikings were a much easier target on land than by sea. So Irish chieftain, Máel SechNíall put some 700 Viking invaders to death in Skreen, Co. Meath. The Viking Louth settlement, Linn Duchaill, was abandoned 100 years later.

The Irish annals record that in 849, the dark-haired Danes came a viking too. In 851, a fierce battle between the Danes and Norse was noted by Irish monks. In 853, Hiberno-Norse warlord "Olaf the White" (akAmlaíb Conung, or Oleif, son of King Ingjald), held Dublin, and an alliance was made with Áedh Findliath, the Irish king of the northern Uí Néills, whose daughter was married off to Olaf. But decades of war between the Irish and both strands of Vikings soon followed. In 902, the Vikings were ousted from Dublin.

But in 914, the Vikings were back with a vengeance and ravaged Munster. (Whether Norse or Danes, I'm not sure.) The Irish king of Tara, Máel SechNíall II, sacked Viking-Irish* Dublin (again) in 944. Máel SechNíall II joined forces with Brian Bóruma, and led successful skirmishes against the Vikings in 998, 1000, and in 1012. The Vikings were eventually driven from Ireland for good by Brian Bóru at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014. 

The Vikings took Irish slaves and wives (prize booty-call) back to Norway (and Iceland) in 832. We know this because of the Celtic artifacts and knotwork art that show up in Scandinavia. There are also Irish personal names and toponyms preserved in the Norse-Gael manuscripts, the Landnámabók, Laxdœla Saga Njáls Saga, the Orkneyinga Saga, and the lost Brjáns Sagathe last three manuscripts pay homage to Brian Bóru and Norse-Gael loyalty to the descendants of Bóru.

Njáll Þorgeirssonaka Burning Niáll (Neil)—possibly a Brithem (or Brehon) lawyer with the gift of the gab—really, really had flaming hair. After a dispute, handsome Njál refused to leave his home and was was burned to death by irate neighbors

Irish toponyms survive in the Faroe Islands and Iceland (via Hiberno-Scotti monks). The Icelandic village, Patreksfjörður was named after St. Patrick. Breiðafjörður (where an Augustinian MS, the Flateyjarbók—with a different account of Eirik the Red, was written), may be named after St. Brigid. (Bríd, aka Bri-id, Brida, Breeda.)

There were attempts at Irish-Viking alliances and mixed marriages and children in Dublin—though with 200 years of continuous warfare, survival was at best, iffy. The mixed marriages are duly recorded in Irish surnames: McAuliffe (son of Olaf), McManus (son of McManus), McLoughlin (son of Lochlainn), McIvor (son of Ivor) and Doyle (the dark stranger or foreigner). Note that the names are written in IRISH, not Scandinavian. What does that say about the dominant culture and language? 
By 944, the Viking-Irish* were mostly of Irish descent as the Norse Vikings did not bring Norse wives with them—they took Irish wives who had half-Irish children who married Irish and half-Irish kin. The Viking gene pool was diluted by 50% the minute they stepped onto Irish soil. 
It seems unlikely that the Vikings were planting red-haired genes to significantly overwhelm the entire Irish gene pool. The fighting Irish did not go meekly into Viking servitude. In fact, the Vikings suffered severe losses at the hands of the Irish. At the Battle of Clontarf, some 6000-12000+ died, making the battle one of the largest of the medieval era—and that was the end of Viking occupation of Ireland (sort of). 

Though the Vikings founded the major port towns (and coinage) in Ireland (the rural autonomous Irish didn't live in towns) a full-scale invasion of Vikings to Ireland was never attempted. They were otherwise busy (and were much more successful) in Britain and France where people actually DID live in towns—thus much easier to control (or hold hostage). That resulting admixture brewed and bubbled and then their descendants returned to Ireland in 1169 as the Anglo-Norman invasion, heralding in a new era of warfare.


Though most scientists think that the redheaded gene is a relatively new mutation (50- to 20,000 years old), I did find a study that notes that Neanderthal Man carried that recessive genetic marker too. Some scientists think this suggests that red-hairedness may have been an evolutionary adaptation to survive in extreme northern latitudes where there is little winter sunlight.

Hmmm. Is it a geographic adaptation that leads to lighter skin, lighter eyes and red hair? Do redheads (having no ability to tan) absorb more vitamin D from sunlight than others? I am reminded of the H.L. Menkin quote: "There is always an easy solution to every problem—neat, plausible, and wrong." Except, those Neanterthal redheads we were discussing were found in sunny Iberia, not in northern Germany or Scandinavia.

This byproduct of natural selection adaptation theory just doesn't make any sense as red hair and pale skin equals the ability get a really bad sunburn in under 20 minutes, not to mention a greater chance of skin cancer with prolonged exposure to the sun (it's not just the ability to absorb vitamin D really fast). This theory is as silly as the one about redheads and blonds becoming extinct in the year 2100, or whatever. Are these pseudo-scientists using a Mendelian genetic trait theory?

Now, I loved studying Gregor Mendel's experiments with genetics, using white flowering peas cross-pollinated with red flowering peas to test his theories. But, snow peas and scarlet runners aside, we are not haricots verts. Even as a kid, I saw the flaw: we were taught that all parents with dark hair and dark eyes will beget dark-eyed/dark haired children who will in turn, beget the same dark progeny and so on. Easy-peasy. Not.

According to Mendel, having one light-eyed/haired, and one dark-eyed/haired parent gives us a 1-in-4 chance to have any combo, as dark hair/eyes would win out 3 out of 4 times because it is a dominant (strong) gene. In which case, my whole family was a genetic throwback... Dark-haired/eyed Irish parents begetting dark eyed/haired children who begat blue-eyed blonds and redheads, etc. More than rolling the dice. Snake eyes. The milkman was also a brunet.

Let me take it to an absurd extreme. If this Nordic redheaded vitamin D theory held water, then most circumpolar peoples: Inuit Aleut, SkraelingChukchiSiberian Yup'ikSámit (Saami/Lappi) or the Antarctic Yahgan (Fuegian), would all be pale, freckled redheads, or at least carry the gene! All are First Peoples (Eskimo, etc.) with dark hair and olive or dark skin; the exception is Saami (Laplanders) who are Caucasian and blond or dark haired. My light-haired, blue-eyed Saami (or Suomi) friend has golden skin—not white—and a characteristic Saami face like Joni Mitchell. (Read up on that Asian blond/golden skin link I mentioned above.)

Redheadedness is generally associated with northern (but not extreme southern) peoples as is the accompanying pale skin sprinkled with freckles. So, is it primarily a Caucasian trait? Certainly before migration to the New World, northern Europeans carried the most diversity of hair/eye color in the world. 

The rest of the world tends toward dark hair and eyes. There are Melanesian and African redheads (as noted in The Last King of Scotland—who are considered ugly), and there are also other non-Celtic redhead groups to consider. But that's fodder for another blogger. Interestingly, many freckled African-Americans often have an Irish grandmother or great-grandmother in the family tree.

Some scientists suggest that it is estimated that 40% of all Scots carry the recessive red hair gene especially in the outer Hebrides and the Orkney Islands (probably where the Viking theory was shoehorned in), while the Irish red hair gene tallies in at a whopping 46%, the highest in the world. (Must be all that insular inbreeding!)

Other Celtic archipelagic fringe regions also carry a remarkably high percentage of this gene: notably Cornwall, Devon, Kent (warrior Queen Boudicca's Iceni who sacked London, Colchester and St Albans), Wales; and the northern borderlands: Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire (a later Norse stronghold). Cumbria and the Lake District were Old Welsh-speaking enclaves that successfully resisted the Anglo-Saxon invasion.
Boadicea Haranguing the Britons by John Opie. "It is not as a woman descended from noble ancestry, but as one of the people that I am avenging lost freedom, my scourged body, the outraged chastity of my daughters…you will see that in this battle you must conquer or die. This is a woman's resolve; as for men, they may live and be slaves, and captive, but I shall not." —Boudicea (The Annals of Tacitus, Book 14, 36)
But several genetic studies reveal that the highest per capita red-haired genetic marker was in Ireland. Period. Not Scandinavia.

I've yet to find a study stating that 40-46% of all Scandinavians or Finns carry the recessive marker. Genetic DNA testing also suggests that red-hair genes were common among the first Britons.

What's interesting about this train of thought is that the ethni Irish Travellers (aka Tinkers—tinceard or traveling tinsmiths) are possibly descendants from a pre-Celtic aboriginal race, who were said to be predominantly redheaded. 

Irish Travellers speak a Hiberno-English creole, the Cant, or Shelta. The post-Irish Famine American branch were made famous by Eddie Izzard in "The Riches" also spoke a secret argot—or Gammon as it's called from within the culture. Think Pig-Latin with a rhyming Cockney-twist: rife-stray = wife. Now think backwards: mac (son) = kam. Póg (kiss) = gop. Scottish Celtic Tinkers, the Ceàrdannan ("the Craftsmen") also spoke Gammon, or Beurla-reagaird

Some scholars believe Shelta contains the remnants of an old European tongue.
Research by an Irish socio-linguist, Dr Alice Binchy, suggests that more than half the surviving Cant/Gammon lexicon may be derived from a long-lost language spoken in Ireland before the Celts arrived. — The Independent, March 27, 2005.
But Stephen Oppenheimer's The Origins of the British: a Genetic Detective Story, states that genetics reveals that the vasmajority of Britons' ancestors hailed from that Celtic stronghold, the Iberian Peninsula.

No Spanish Armada was needed to crash on Ireland's shores to fund the Black Irish theory. It was already there. Hmm. Parallel structure: dark hair from the Spanish, red hair from the Vikings. Do we see an exogamic pattern here?) 

Late 20th c. scholarship has also proven that Celtic presence (and influences) were substantial in Iberia. And we musn't forget the modern Celtic survivors, those west Iberians, the Cailleach-worshipping Galicians (aka Gallaeci or Callaeci and western Asturians) of Spain/ Portugal have their fair share of redheads too. The Moors never ventured into the Pyrenees.


The ancient Greek ethno-historians, especially Dio Cassius, noted in their observations that there were an awful lot of really, really big bad-ass (Clairol) blond/flaxen and redheaded Celtic warriors with grey eyes. He described the Iceni warrior Queen Boudicca as being “tall and terrifying…a great mass of red hair fell over her shoulders” to her hips. She must've been a sight to see—standing tall in her chariot racing across the moors, her fiery mane blazing in the wind.

According to the Roman historian Livy, Roman general Manlius Vulso called the Celts of Asia Minor a fierce nation: "Their tall bodies, their flowing red hair, gigantic shields and long swords, together with their howling as they go into battle, their shouts and leapings and the fearful din of arms as they batter their shields according to some kind of ancestral custom—all these things are designed to terrify!"

He called the Galati "wild animals, whose fathers and grandfathers hardened and made savage by misfortune, driven from their land to settle in Illyricum, Pannonia and Thrace." (The Celts: A History, Dáithí Ó hÓgáin. p110).

Roman historian Tacitus, (b. ca. 56 AD), in one of the Gaulish provinces, possibly Belgica, or the Narbonne, was most likely a Celt himself, he often conflated German* and northern Celtic tribes in his writings. A hangover from Caesar's senate campaigning days to loosen the senators' purse strings and get them to fling open the warchest coffers.

In a nutshell, many of the so-called Rhineland Germanic tribes* Tacitus described in Germania and Agricola had Celtic tribal names and place names. Any tribe north of the Rhine was deemed Germanic, even if they spoke a Celtic language, and worshipped Celtic gods.

Dr. T. Rice Holmes, ['Caesar's Conquest of Gaul,'] noted that the ancients—who were not very close observers of other cultures' physical characteristics—consistently described the 
Celts as a tall fair race, warlike and masterful, and they made a distinction between the "fair" Germans as being blond, and the "fair" Celts as redheads.

But to the Romans, anyone north of the Rhine, whether the were Celtic, or German or Celto-Germ
an, was dubbed "German." The Rhine was the great divide—like the American North-South division, the Mason-Dixon line. This side, there be badass Gauls. That side of the river, there be badass Germans. Even bigger and badder than the Gauls. So, cough up the dough, you old fharts.

Tacitus also commented on the "red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia (P-Celtic Pictland)" which he linked to red-haired Gaulish tribes living in Belgium and Germany. Clearly, invasion plans were in the works.

I've not read the texts in the original Latin, but in modern translation, luckily, tribal names and place names tens to keep their orthography. The roving Belgae marauders were not Germanic, but descended from Hallstatt Celts or the related Volcae Tectosage tribe of Bavaria and Austria. In the Greco-Roman world, "red-haired" meant big, badass warriors. Clearly, the Vikings were not genetically involved with the Celts way back when. 

In the Aeneid, that fine Cisalpine Gaulish poet, Virgil, (the very bright, or illustrious one) described his fellow Celts as "golden is their hair and golden their garments...and their milk-white necks..." The Celts preferred red-gold over any other gold. So "golden" could also mean red-gold—or ruddy. And they were extremely fair, not swarthy. Diodorus corroborated, "their skin is very moist and white."


Celtic Fringe survivors, the Gaulish langues d'oil-speaking Walloons of southern Belgium (Brabant to Calais), have a higher incidence of red hair than the French, or Germanic Belgians, and these Gaulish descendants look distinctly Irish. As do the Galicians (Gallegos) of Northern Portugal/Spain who share a cultural and musical tradition with other Celtic countries. But at least we know they're CeltIberians.
AN ASIDE ON WAL-GAL-Wall-/wallha- a Germanic prefix, means strangers (or Romans, but not Germans), as does the word Wales—usually signifies non Latin-speaking Celts. It was used to describe Romanised inhabitants of the former Roman Empire, who spoke proto-Latin or Celtic languages. (Old English: 'wealh', means 'foreigner' or 'stranger'). Walha is also possibly a corruption from the name of the Celtic tribal confederation, and Caesar's nemesis, the formidable La Téne Celts, the Volcae Tectosage (who not only ran the Germans off their Rhine lands, they also invaded Macedonia and Anatolia, and founded that wild party town, Galatia). It also might be the origin of the word Gaul as v/w/g sounds shapeshift in Indo-European languages. European and Asia Minor place names that begin with the prefix gal-, gaul-, wal-, wel, generally indicate a Celtic presence in the region.


Unable to let go of the Viking redhead connection, someone in my Yahoo group mentioned a Finnish Viking connection for the root introduction of Irish red hair. First, Finns are not Vikings, nor did they (by their own admission) raid and settle in Ireland. They predate the Norse Vikings by centuries (as do the Irish, and their red hair). Finns (AKA Jutes, Huns, but sometimes erroneously conflated with Varangians—Swedish Rus Vikings of the 9th-11th cs.) are not typically stereotyped as a nation of redheads either.

I remember learning in Biology 1A at College of Marin, from my professor, Dr. Fatt, a Finnish MD, that Finns generally had different genetics, blood type (and language, like Sámit, or Suomi) than the rest of Europe. Type A+ (34%) probably points to Viking blood, as Norway is mostly type A+. (Ireland is mostly Type O+ at 55%). Finland's A, B, and AB cluster is 60%. But it's complex and difficult to track this information. Modern genetic studies have found that the Y- chromosome haplogroup N3, is fairly specific to Finno-Ugric populations.

Though the Turkish-born Greek scholar (5th c. BC ), Herodotusdubbed the "Father of history," described the Ukrainian "Budini" as a "large and powerful nation: they all have deep blue eyes and bright red hair." They lived in Scythia, their capital was the wooden city of Gelonus, built on the fens, their shrines were adorned in the Greek way and they honored Dionysus. If you read a bit further, you'll find Herodotus was probably describing nomadic, aboriginal peoples. Or conflating two different groups. It's hard to tell from the translation.

Aside from the stark contradiction of primitive, aboriginal nomads living in a complex fortified wooden city, it seems they were not Hunnic Finns who speak a radically different non Indo-European (IE) language that is related to Suomi, Basque and Magyar. Nor were they Sámit (AKA Suomi? which would link them genetically to the Basques).

Now, let me split a few fine red hairs: Herototus points out that the Budini "use a tongue partly Scythian and partly Greek." The Suomi and Finns would have had an especially hard time adapting. or speaking a Greco-Scythian hybrid tongue, as their Finno-Urgic languages are entirely unrelated. This strongly suggest that the Budini were Indo-European speaking—possibly Cimmerarians, or nomadic Indo-Iranian Scythians. But there were also numerous Celtic strongholds in the Russian steppes, settlements on the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea and beyond.

Besides, the phrase "white-skinned, red-haired and blue-eyed" is a Classical trope, generally referring to the Hyperboreans, i.e., the Celts, or any non Greek-speaking barbaric tribes. The TItans, the first gods (Atlas, Promethius, Cronos) were depicted as white-skinned with red (or light) hair.
  • xanthe—light-haired. Orestes’ hair is described as fair, Apollo and Demeter, are described as light-haired.
  • kuanochaites—dark-haired 
  • rhodo and purros—refer to red. Eos, the Dawn goddess is rosy-fingered (rhododaktylos). 
Racial Type of the Ancient Hellenes (From Stirpes: Antiquam Exquirite Matrem forum, Jan.6, 2005,) in one thread, Alkman, offers some food for thought:
We must also dispel the notion that xanthos always refers to yellow hair, or that purros refers to purely red hair…. Strabo uses xanthotrichein and leukotrichein (making hair xanthon and making hair “white”) indicating that xanthon was a darker shade than extremely fair hair….
Color terms are relative among different cultural groups; xanthos may mean the fair end of the Greek hair color continuum, not blond. This impression is enhanced by the descriptions of northern European hair as polios (gray, usually of old people) or leukon (white) to be found in Greek literature (Diodorus Siculus, Adamantius Judaeus).

As for purros it is noteworthy that the common Greek words for fiery red eruthros is not employed for hair, while purros is given by Aelius Herodianus (Partitiones 115, 10) for the color of eyes. Human eyes are never red, or strawberry blond…. Therefore, purros means having a red tinge, it does not mean redhead. Maybe rabid.

It would be worthwhile to quote here in full, the opinion of British anthropologist John Beddoe [34]. Beddoe studied thousands of Britons and continental Europeans, and comparing his designations with that of other observers, came to realize the approximate relativity of the names of color terms:
French anthropologists say that the majority of persons in the north of France are blond; whereas almost all Englishmen would say they were dark, each set of observers setting up as a standard what they are accustomed to see around them when at home. What is darkish brown to most Englishmen would be chestnut in the nomenclature of most Parisians, and perhaps even blond in that of Auvergne or Provence; an ancient Roman might probably have called it sufflavus or even flavus.
In Histories (4.108-109), Herodotus describes a Scythian tribe, the Budini as “ruddy,” or “red-haired” purron and “blue/gray-eyed” glaukoi. In their land, exists a city, Gelon, inhabited by the Geloni. While the Budini are nomads, the Geloni are farmers, speak a language that is half-Greek and half-Scythian and worship Greek gods. According to Herodotus, they are Greek colonists who left their sea ports to live inland among the Budini. Interestingly, Herodotus states that the Geloni are unlike the fair Budini in “neither form nor coloring” [ouden ten ideen homoioi oude to chroma].  
(Note bene: this is thread from a forum, not my research. NB 2 I found the original paper replete with photos and art byDienekes Pontikos who seems to be an anthropologist (dated 2009). Will need to update links.)

Generally, "good" Greeks were represented as dark-haired and dark-eyed. Apparently "good Athenian girls had black hair," while courtesans had red hair. Galen (Galenus, or Galienof Pergamon, that famous (possibly Celto)-Greek philosopher, and physician to the gladiators, wrote:
That of the inhabitants of cold, wet places, conversely - Illyrians, Germans, Dalmatians, Sauromatians, and the Scythian types of people in general- has reasonably good growth and is thin, straight, and red.
The kingdom of Pergamum in Anatolia (Bergama, Turkey), ca. 188 BC.
Aristotle wrote that the Greeks generally considered blue eyes as unhealthy—the evil eye was associated with those northern barbarian tribes. Plato, in The Republic, stated that statues should have dark (manly) eyes and hair.

When Persian King Darius attempted to invade Gelonia (aka Gelonus or Helonus), the Budini (a Finnic tribe, or Scythian tribe) scorched the earth to avoid battle by leaving the "earth without grass," who oratorically replied: "We are free as wind and what you can catch in our land is only the wind." Hmmm, that almost sounds cheekily Celtic. (Like the Celtic envoy's retort to Alexander the Great's query as to what they feared most: "We fear no man: there is but one thing that we fear, namely, that the sky should fall on us." —Sacred Texts.

These phrases are archaic remnants of standard Celtic oath-formulae preserved from the oral tradition, like: "May the sky fall on us and crush us, may the earth gape and swallow us up, may the sea burst out and overwhelm us." Not. Ibid.
A variant in the Irish epic, the "Táin Bo Cuailgne," goes something like this: "Unless the sky shall fall with its showers of stars on the ground where we are camped, or unless the earth shall be rent by an earthquake, or unless the waves of the blue sea come over the forests of the living world, we shall not give ground.") —From Myths and Legends of the Celtic Race, Thomas Rolleston, 1911 (ch. 1);  via Sacred Texts.
Though there were Finnish or Suomi populaces on the Volga, I can find no record among ethnographic information on Finns or Saami/Suomi settlements—languages or dialects—for a tribe called the Budini. Please note that only the 1911 Britannica surmised that the Budoni were Fenno-Ugric—not Herodotus, who claimed the Gelonii (or Budinii) were once Greeks. But they could have been Scythians as well. Then there's the language thing: "The Geloni are farmers, speak a language that is half-Greek and half-Scythian and worship Greek gods." —Herodotus

There were also several huge Celtic migrations to/from the steppes and Ukraine: in Poland, the Celtic name survives as Galicia, not to be confused with Galicia, Iberia, or Galicia, Anatolia (Gr: the place of the rising sun). BTW, Finn/fionn means fair or bright/shining in Irish. As in Vienna (Finn's City). (F=V).

And red hair is very rare in Sweden, and most Scandanavians are blond or dark, not redheads. This is not to say that Celtic genes didn't worm their way back to Scandinavia, they did. Russia, colonized by a red-haired Viking, Rurik, does not have a high incidence of natural redheads, hennaed redheads, and natural blonds, yes. Again, the red  moniker did not signify redheadedism.


If you look at most of the the regions of the world where there is traditionally a higher percentage of redheads, including northern India (IE settlements) Iran/Levant (tribes of Celts moved to Anatolia en masse after the Battle of Pergamon), coincidentally, you will find evidence of ancient Celtic settlements there as well. (See Luís Fraga da Silva's downloadable map of pre-Roman Iberia ca. 200 BC—Note: Celtic tribes are marked in yellow.)

Celtic tribes from Thrace to Iberia—spoke an Indo-European Celtic language with mutually intelligible dialects. "St Jerome, who visited Ancyra (modern-day Ankara) in 373 AD, likened their language to that of the Treveri of northern Gaul." That's 316 years after that famous Anatolian tentmaker, the bull-headed Tarsan, St. Paul wrote his famous rebuke, Epistle to the Galicians.

The Treveri spoke the same language as those wild party-animals, the Anatolian Galatians /Galicians, [and Phrygians, and Thracian Celts] of Asia Minor.  (No matter that they couldn't/wouldn't read). No evidence that the Galatians ever wrote back to Saul-Paul either, but clearly their response was: Piss off! Who died and made YOU an apostle, dude?  No trace of the original letter is known to have survived. The Galicians probably used the papyrus as nappies.

It seems that fear of circumcision also motivated the Galatians' anti-Judeo-Christian angst. You want to do WHAT to my pecker? Though we don't typically think of central Turkey as a Celtic stronghold, the Galatians managed to retain their language and cultural identity (and intact peckers) for at least 700 years. 

Classical writings on pre- and Roman Iberia are not as readily available in English. And there are now many Wiki articles on the Celtic tribes of Iberia, translated from the Spanish  and Portuguese—which I'd love to cite, but this blog's central focus is on references to redheads across linguistic and cultural divides. The Iberian Cantabri came to the rescue of the Gallia Aquitanii to fight against Caesar. But I digress. I've mentioned modern Galician redheads earlier under the Celtic Fringe heading. 
Weirdly, I found mention of a high incidence of readheads among the North African Berbers (though they are said to be Eurasian (Iberio-Marusian) and share genetic traits with Basque, Saami, and possibly Galicians), they speak an Afro-Asiatic (Semitic) language. But it seems Berber DNA has been in North Africa some 20,000 years and invading Arab-Moors or Middle East tribes made no dent in their gene pool.

And there are tales of the huge fierce redheaded aboriginal men of the North African Canary Islands (Island of the Dogs (possibly referring to sea dogs, or monk seals—as in canis—not little yellow birds!)  The Canary Islanders were dressed in furs, wielding hardwood swords and shields, and their fair-haired women were uncommonly beautiful. Some speculate that one Neolithic group, the Guanches shared a common origin with Berbers—as the last surviving Canarian language was related to Berber.
[They] reached another island where they were soon surrounded by barks and brought to "a village whose inhabitants were often fair hair with long and flaxen hair and the women of a rare beauty". —Arab geographer Muhammad al-Idrisi, Nuzhatul Mushtaq, 1150 AD. (Note Bene: the Arab definition of fair-haired covered a wide range of colors).

The Nuzhat al-mushtaq fi'khtiraq al-afaq, or "the book of pleasant journeys into faraway lands" aka the Tabula Rogeriana, drawn by al-Idrisi for Roger II of Sicily in 1154—one of the most advanced ancient world maps. (Note that North is at the bottom.) 
I speculated that the Berbers of North Africa (Carthage) might be related to the (redheaded) Phoenecian sea traders (Lebanon) as Punic evolved from Phoenecian and Berber. Unless, of course, the Iberian Celts put down roots in Carthage and were assimilated into Berber culture.

However, Celts do make a significant appearance in Carthage. The southern Celt-Iberians, no strangers to the sultry charms of Carthage, were Hannibal's mercenaries, hired to defend Carthage against Rome during the Punic Wars. Tens of thousands of Celts fought in the Roman army; so (elephants aside), it was a rout of CeltIberian against Gallia Celt against Cis-Alpine Gaulish Celt. As they slaughtered each other wholesale, the Romans won on all sides.


Apparently, ancient Egyptians routinely burned their redheaded maidens. Redheaded men were called Typhonians, after red-haired Typhon—evil rival of Osiris. Their ashes were scattered at the grave of Osiris and used to fertilize the fields. Some were equated with the god Set. Not good to be a redhead in any Egyptian dynasty—except maybe Cleopatra's.

A fresco of a noble woman with golden necklace and earrings on the ceiling of the main chamber in the Ostrusha Mound near Kazanlak, Bulgaria.
If you're having trouble wrapping your thoughts around the idea of all these redheads in North Africa, remember that Cleopatra, a Ptolemy (read: Macedonian Greek), was a redhead but she was probably dipping heavily into the old henna jar. Greek satirist poet Xenophanes scribed Macedonia's neighbors, the Thracian (Celts), as depicting their version of God in their own likeness: red haired and blue-eyed. (Sounds like Tocharian Buddhas.)

The Celts settled in Macedonia and Thrace en masse as well. Philip of Macedonia had a large Thracian Celtic mercenary armies at his beck and call. Alexander the Great famously commented upon the bravery of Celtic warriors.

Also, thousands of Celtic mercenaries were employed by the Egyptian Ptolemies. In 283-246 BC and 186 BC, they attempted to overthrow Ptolemy II. My guess is that those feastingfighting&fecking Celtic warriors weren't exactly celibate for 40 years in the deserts of Egypt.

There are records of Celtic mercenaries in Egypt serving the Ptolemies. Thousands were employed in 283-246 BC and they were also in service around 186 BC. They attempted to overthrow Ptolemy II.

"Tocharian donors", with light hair and light eye color, 6th century CE fresco, QizilTarim Basin. These frescoes are associated with annotations in Tocharian and Sanskrit made by their painters.

Though the Chinese are loath to admit to any foreign invasions, there were a few notable redheads (and blonds) found in Asia too, those nomadic Silk Roadies, the Tocharians of the Tarim Basin in the Taklimakan Desert and the Gobi Desert who were northern Europeans, or possibly Scythians, according to Strabo.

These easternmost speakers of various Indo-European dialects (IE), a foundation language that includes Irish, Hittite, Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, etc., spoke/wrote in a highly inflected IE language, Tocharian (similar in grammatical structure to Old Irish), that predates later Indo-Iranian and Tocharian B speaking settlements.

I found a Tocharian timeline online and links that's worth looking at. But note that the anachronism, "Nordic" in this case, could not possibly refer to Teutonic tribes ca. 3000 BC!

Tocharian Buddhas

The later 9th c.Tocharian A Buddhist texts, shrines and cave murals portray red-headed blue-eyed Buddha that had northern Indus Valley links. (FWIW: Genghis Khan was reputed to be a redhead with blue/green eyes.)  The northern Indus Valley (also an IE region, was also the homeland of the Mahabharata (containing an abbreviated form of the Ramayana) which is related to (but not the ancestor of) ancient dynastic struggles and the hero's journey portrayed in the Iliad, Odyssey, and the Irish Ulster Cuchullain Cycles via the IE dialectic continuum).

Dio Chrysostom (of the Gilded/Golden Mouth, Dio Cassius' relation) noted that the Mahabarata was related to Homer's epics, with conterparts to Achilles, Priam, Hecuba.

The Tocharains, a horse warrior cult, who, according to Pliny the Elder, were tall, fierce warriors (not having a language of their own—in other words, they didn't speak Greek), made an appearance in the Mahabharata War. Go figure!

Also, we so easily forget that ancient China's boundaries did not include Tocharian lands northwest of the Great Wall of China. The Taklimakan, the Gobi Desert and Chinese Turkistan were a later Chinese land grab.

Oh, and the extremely tall (6'), woad-tattooed Tocharians dressed in plaids, and herringbone (Harris) tweeds; their sheep were were a distinct breed also from northwestern Europe. Tattooed Cherchen Man (11th c. BC, buried in a dearg red tunic, with his cannabis pouch and ten hats) was 6'6" and one of his women was 6'. Not only their sheep, but their weaving style is identical to that of the peoples of the Celtic Fringe. So say the anthropologists.

Yingpin Man (Handsome Man) was also 6'6", a tall shaman who was buried with his harp, horse bridles, archery equipment, and a good kilo of cannabis. Though hemp was clearly present, they preferred leather and woolen clothing and goods. He wore a gold foil death mask (click on picture link) worthy of Agamemnon. The beard, eyebrows and mushtache are inlaid red garnets. Suffice to say, he was probably a redhead. (Many Tocharian skulls were also trepanned, strikingly similar (pardon the pun) to that of European Celts, where head-bashing was an international art form.)

In Natural Historyca. 60 AD, Roman historian, Pliny the Elder described a people called the Seres who were essential in maintaining silk trade between Europe and the Far East. He wrote, "The Seres are of more than average height; they have [flaxen] red hair, blue eyes and harsh voices and have no language in which to communicate their thoughts." Were these the Tocharians? The word seres means silk.

(Note Bene: "Flaxen" is in brackets because I found two different translations. Since I've not read the Classical writers in Latin, I can only trust the veracity of the translators, but it looks like it's open to interpretation as flaxen and red are different hair colors. Virgil's "golden" haired Celts could be either flaxen-haired or redheads, according to interpretation. Something to consider. Also, most Roman and Greeks were dark-haired and of small stature, so large, red, or light-haired barbarians made a lasting impression. The Greeks were fascinated by the Celts, they considered them primeval: the Noble Savage.)


All the ancient Irish myths (dating back to the time of the composition of the Iliad via the Indo-European continuum), are peppered with all variety of redheads. It usually is an Otherworld indicator, and it meant magic's afoot, or about to happen. Redheads are associated with the Túatha Dé Danann. And there are a lot of them in Irish mythology. If anything, this is probably the origin of the redheaded Irish stereotype.

In Gaelic Irish, there are two types of reddearg and ruadh (rua), Dearg, or blood red, as in dyed, or otherworldly red, then there's worldly red (ruadh) as in redhead. And beware those dearg agus ban—white heifers with red ears...fairy cattle, real redheads sort of gone albino. If they were truly albino, there would be mention of blue or red eyes, so they're not albino. Leucistic, maybe.

In the great Irish epic, the "Táin Bó Cúailnge", set in the pre-Christian era during the first century AD, the names of Conchobar's houses: Craoibh Ruadh, "Red Branch (as in The Ulster Cycle) was the throne upon which the king sat at Emain Macha, and Craoibh Dearg or ("bright red branch") was where the severed heads and other trophies of battle were kept. Conchobar's Knights of the Red Branch were semi-divine; Cúchulainn was their greatest warrior. His counterpart, Achilles was a redhead too. 

In the "Tochmarc Emire", (The Wooing of Emer), an early Irish foretale to the "Táin Bó Cúailnge" (the earliest copy was scribed in the 8th c., but composed much earlier in Ancient Irish), Cúchulainn's famous martial arts teacher, Scáthach, from the Isle of Skye, was depicted as a redhead too. (Again, this mythological reference predates Viking invasions—as the Hebrides were settled by the Irish—long before Scotland became a concept. 

The name of the Isle of Skye is a derivative of her name as Scáthach is pronounced as Skahah Scáthach was a famous Celtic woman warrior who led armies. As the Scots might say, Ruad gu Brath! Redheadsforever—or redheads rule. 

With the release of Pixar's Brave! in June of 2012, now the Scots will be insufferably stereotyped as redheads. At least the redhead stereotype is Celtic Scottish (read: Irish), not Viking derivation!)

The ancient Irish tales give very graphic details on dress, food, hair and eye color. We know the colors of the divine cattle and Cu Chullain's horses, fergawdsakes! Brindled is another favored Otherworld marker.

And the Vikings were wont to steal Irish women: 819 AD. The plundering of Edar by the foreigners, who carried off a great prey of women. (From the Annals of the Four Masters.)

Flight of the Witchesby Francisco de Goya 1797-98. Museo del Prado, Madrid. (Notice the redhead is dressed in green?)

My Irish mother was a brunette, though she described her hair color as auburn. All my aunts and uncles are dark-haired and hazel or brown eyes. Ditto for my grandparents. My mother had a child with a redheaded Irishman, their son had strawberry blond hair and hazel eyes. His daughter (my niece) is a classic Irish blazing carrot top, her two half-sisters were blonde (the two mothers were blonde).

Several of our half Irish-German and Irish-Swedish cousins have red (see my photo at top of page) or strawberry blonde hair. The redheaded link is the common denominator, with the addition of an Irish gene, but not necessarily a German or Swedish one. Redheads don't go gray, they go sandy-colored, then white.

Now, brunette hair color gene is a more dominant gene than red (or blonde) so it should win out every time, but it doesn't, because so many more Irish are carriers of the redheaded gene. I have quite a few redheaded Irish great aunts and second cousins as well. More than the world average of 2-4% redheads runs in our family. My grandmother said it always skipped a generation. My baby hair was reddish. I have freckles.

Don't forget the Irish (and the Celts in general) really got around. They were also famously spreading their genes throughout Europe—especially Nial of the Nine Hostages. All those Western Isles of Scotland and the entire Glasgow region from Ayrshire to Lanarkshire, were settled by Dalriadic Irish.

I won't mention all the medieval monasteries founded throughout Europe by the Irish who were not, I repeat, NOT celibate. The Irish monks who transcribed the Irish tales in the 6th to the 14th c.s, were not above a little feastingfighting&fecking themselves from time to time.

It's been noted that many Irish (and the Irish abroad) seem to have a basic lack of knowledge of their own culture. They pick up what others say about them and then parrot it back in true neo-colonial fashion.

Hopefully by now you know beyond a doubt that redheadedness is not a Viking trait. Get over the myth.

However, I read somewhere that Vikings dyed their hair red before battle. A thousand years earlier, the Celts limed their hair. Lime(stone) bleached their hair red or blond. So some credence is due.


In other cultures, redheadedness is associated with bad luck, the devil, and all things bad (Judas was rumored to be a redhead, as was Mary Magdalene, and the first suffragist, Lilith, who wanted to be on top, and you know where that got her).

I'm more inclined to chalk those redhead flights of fancy up to European artists' stereotypical world view during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.

The Bible seems to take special umbrage with redheads (it even warns against Apocalyptic red horses and Judas-colored heifers) in general. Supposedly the mark of Cain was being born with red hair. But apparently David was a strawberry blond—or ruddy-cheeked.

In the Middle Ages, a redhead, especially a redheaded Jew, was seriously bad mojo. Talk about stigma (or maybe stigmata). Throughout history, redheadedness was associated with negative traits. Redheads were labeled witches, they were bad-tempered, traitorous, whores, and the byproduct of  'unclean' sex.

They were branded with the ultimate Scarlet "A." (All things Awful.) In the ginger-phobic Germanic fairytales, many of the bad guys are redheads; there is a German (and a Greek) folk belief that redheads were witches and vampires.

In the pogroms of the Middle Ages and beyond, it is estimated that between 1000 and 1500 AD, some 100,000 witches were tortured and killed in Medieval Europe. Many were fair-skinned freckled redheads. I'm sure it didn't help that redheaded women have the ability withstand significantly higher pain thresholds, and are 25% harder to anesthesize than the rest of us.
  • During the Spanish Inquisition, red hair was proof-positive that its owner had stolen hell fire and was therefore burned as a witch.
  • Redheaded women are either violent or false, and usually are both. —French Proverb
  • If a person has redhair on the top of his head or the back of the neck, then he will be wealthy. —Proverb of Madagascar
  • There was never a saint with red hair. —Russian Proverb (I guess it's the oversexed thing.)
  • If you pass a redhead in the streets of Corsica, you must spit and turn around. (Bad juju luck, like the Evil Eye.
  • I'll beat you like a redheaded stepchild —American South, refers to inbreeding, or an illegitimate (Caucasian/African) child.
  • Do not let the shadow of a redheaded person fall upon you. It might give you bad luck. —Old English proverb
  • Red-haired people cannot make good butter, for the butter always ends up with a slight tang to it. —Old English Proverb
  • In Donegal, if a girl is born with red hair it is a sign that there was a pig under the bed. —Irish Proverb (Contrary to what you are thinking, pigs are sacred animals in Ireland)
  • Irish farmers did not want their daughters to marry redheads as many tinkers had red hair. Many were persecuted, so they moved to Scotland. (Probably the Orkneys. Orc = pig.)
  • Brahmins were forbidden to marry redheads. (A cloud of dark hair was considered a sign of beauty.) 
  • It is said that Hitler forbad redheads to marry.
  • Aristotle believed that redheads were emotionally unhousebroken. (Whatever that means. Was his wife Pythias of Assos a redhead? Or his companion Herpyllis? Some of his views on the qualities of good wives here:)
  • The Romans prized red-haired slaves, and sold then at a higher price.
  • Greece is one country that admires redheads because of their mythical qualities. (Tremember, those Titians were pasty-skinned redheads.)
  • If you pass by three redhaired people, you will win the state lottery.—Polish proverb
  • An honour it is to have a child with red hair. —Danish Proverb
  • If you happen to walk any distance between two redheaded girls, it is a sign that you will soon be very rich. —Scottish Proverb
Source: The Redhead Encyclopedia, by Stephen Douglas

In Ireland, redheadedness is often associated with good luck. Just don't pinch a redhead on St. Patrick's Day! Maybe we're going about this all wrong. What if the introduction of Irish genes into other gene pools creates more redheadedness? After all, it seems the rest of the world was hellbent on offing and torturously killing all its redheads for centuries on end. No wonder the gene went recessive!

Interesting aside, most women CHOOSE to dye their hair red! A recent study suggests that though blondes might have more fun, but redheads have more sex!


Other higher incidences of red-headed nations besides North America, include Argentina and Australia, were both heavily settled by Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and English peoples. Buenos Aires has the second largest population of Galicians in the world, alas Castro and Franco were Galician as was Símon Bolivar and Jerry Garcia. Ah, those genes, they do get around.


Historically speaking, the Celtic notation of, and fascination with redheads predates the Viking invasions by many centuries. There were quite a few redheads around. Irish names for redheaded: Rory, Roderick (Ruairí/Ruadrich) means the nasty redheaded dude, and there's Rowan, Derg, Dergán (Derrick) Flynn, Flann, Reed, Rhys and Róisín. (Other European names that signify a redhead include Russell, Reynard, Rusty, Rufus, Rurik, etc.

Then there are names of the types of red hair: Straw, golden, orange, copper, titan, auburn, russet, chestnut. My Irish grandmother didn't consider strawberry blond a member of the redhead family, nor was auburn. She called it Titan red. Ginger and sandy were more orange. A true redhead was a flaming firecracker red.

Nicknames: ginger (if they have freckles), carrot top, agent orange, copper head, rusty.


The Tocharians, King David, Saul, Achilles, Menelaus, Alexander the Great, Cleopatra, Queen Boudicca, King Arthur, William the Conqueror, Richard Lionheart, Eric the Red, Charlemagne, Christopher Columbus, Galileo Gallilei (a Gaul of the Gauls), Vivaldi, Napoleon Bonaparte, Oliver Cromwell, Henry VII, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Mary Queen of Scots, William Shakespeare, Queen Victoria, Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle, William Clark (of Lewis and Clark), General Custer, Thomas Jefferson, Sarah Bernhardt, William Blake, Lord Byron, Jean Paul Sartre, George Bernard Shaw, Algernon Swinburne, Anton Chekhov, Henri Matisse, Vincent van Gogh, Lizzie Borden, Billy the Kid, Sherlock Holmes' "Red-Headed League", Bram Stoker, James Joyce, Mark Twain, Emily Dickinson, Margaret Sanger, Clara Bow, Charles Bickford, Maureen O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Hara, Bette Davis, Ginger Rogers, Red Skelton, Stan Laurel, Harpo Marx, Katharine Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Rita Hayworth, Shirley McLaine, Carol Burnett, Ann Margret, Lucille Ball (though hers came out of a bottle, as does Debra Messing's color), Susan Sarandon, Billy Wilder, Robert Redford, Sissy Spacek, Bonnie Rait, Julianne Moore, Nicole Kidman, Sylvia Plath, Lew Welch, J K Rowling, Axl Rose, Charlie Dimmock, Chris Evans, Neil Kinnock, Johnny Rotten...

Note Bene: This blog started off as a small email to my Irish in California group to clarify some redheaded stereotypes that arise every St. Patrick's Day, and it got outa hand! Hence its meandering Celtic structure. I suppose I'll fiddle with it until I tire of the subject. Weirdly, this proves to be my most visited post, according to Blogger stats.

NB2: I am not an archaeologist, anthropologist, or geneticist. Nor am I an armchair Eurocentrist or Celticist. I just get tired of hearing the Nordic-centric "everything began with us" theory. Far too long have other cultures claimed ancestral parentage of all things Celtic, variously suggesting the Celts were the illigitimate red-haired step-children of the Greeks (they were parallel cultures), or that the Irish received red hair from the Vikings, etc.

This flagrant misappropriation of culture is a Victorian hangover (that led to Hitler's Aryan mindset) and unfortunately when one wrong thing is repeated often enough on the internet, then it becomes "true" by its very promiscuity. "I read somewhere that..." As if the (wrong) written word was "truth" itself.
About me: I grew up in the Irish oral tradition. My grandmother was from Bantry (b. 1893) and was constantly telling drumming into me Celtic (pre)history, that was later borne out when modern Celtic archaeology got a foothold in the 1960s. By training, I'm an Irish Studies scholar; my interest is in the Middle Ages in particular. In order to understand that period of time, I wanted to know what came beforehand, to have a glimpse into the Medieval mindset.

So I became conversant with post-Classical literature, only to find I needed to know what the Classical mindset was, and so on back into the ages. Until I found myself looking at the Iliad, and realized the continuum was important indeed as the Irish tales are related to Homer via the Indo-European continuum.

Which led to a foray in linguistics, where I read the medieval Irish tales in their original language. I remember stumbling upon the famous Irish phrase: "The enemy of your/my enemy is my friend," Is é namhaid mo namhad mo chara (I need to look this up) and being amazed as I painstakingly translated it out for my UCB professor. The hairs on my arms stood on end. I recognized the phrase. I was hooked. Those musty pages of archaic text were suddenly living history.

This apologia is not meant to be a scholarly piece. Its job is to entertain and perhaps provoke a little thought. There is a lot of often-repeated material on redheads on the internet. I've filtered much of the dross and pulled together distant strands of inquiry, reorganized and augmented what I've read. I've broadened the theme.

Wikipedia links are not particularly verifiable or scholarly, but they're copyright-free, and damed handy for a quick overview; they will give you another perspective and get you pointed in the right direction for your own line of inquiry. (Besides, I figure Herodotus's quotes are more-or-less correct, no matter what link I use.)

I stuck with Wikipedia because at least it was consistent in its format. Gleaning and pinpointing information from blogs and bulletin boards proved to be the most challenging. If I could find a more direct source (horse's mouth), I've included it.

CELT, the Corpus of Electronic Texts is a comprehensive scholarly archive of Celtic texts.

I'm slowly extracting and revising various threads into separate posts
Redheads in the Greco-Roman Ream (it's expanded from here)


Anonymous said...

I must say that I am vastly impressed by your thorough tracking of the redheaded gene. However, you didn't cover anything about redheads in the middle east. I was wondering if you came across anything...I am half 50% iranian, 35% irish, and the rest scottish/english. My father is iranian, moms the mutt...When I was young I had very fair skin and bright curly red hair, but since my hair has grown straight (is now a darker ginger) and I have black eyelashes and eyebrows.

People always think my red hair is fake (but I got the patch to match, if you know what i'm sayin...)

Maureen Hurley said...

Thank you for your comments (and close reading). I grew weary of the piece, and literally ran out of steam.... As I'd mentioned, the piece came out of an email reaction to something someone wrote on St. Patrick's Day and it expanded and grew in exponential proportions....until my head hurt. So I abandoned it.

From what I found, I couldn't develop a coherent thread or train of thought on redheads of the Middle East, though I'm aware of their existence. I just don't know enough about them (or the Middle East!)

I knew a redheaded Jordanian grocer in Bolinas, CA, who looked Irish! Not 50% northern European at all, like you. Do you have redheads on your Irianian side as well? Maybe you could write an addendum or something on that? The Celts did heavily settle Anatolia but that was some time ago....

Randy (John) Snider said...

Just one correction, the Bible is not against redheads. King David was described as "ruddy" which some have translated as a redhead.

Maureen Hurley said...


Thank you for mentioning King David's golden or ruddy hair. I did find that reference but it is one of the few positive redheaded mentions in the Bible—where the idea of redheadedness is generally associated with evil or bad charachers. I'm not convinced the translators of the Bible are referring to red hair here as they consistantly associated redheadedness with that of malelovalent personages.

Unknown said...

(excuse me if i dont express myself very properly, i'm a spanish speaker)
My father is redhaired. Really he is now white-haired, though that's for another reason. I am blondish, because of my mother's croatian origin, though my beard grows of multiple colours - red in between them.
We live in Chile, South America, yet clearly, we, or they're not from here.
My fathr's grandparents were of arab nationality. However i wouldn't dare to accurately say, of pure arab blood origin. They escaped from MiddleEast in search of lands in peace. They were from Syria and Lebanon, both coountries having been French and English colony, not so long ago. My family which remains in Middle East, they are all Christian orthodox, which undoubtedly differentiate them from normal muslim population of today.

I write to this blog, beacause today grew my interest on knowing about this chromosome iin our blood, and it's origin and arrived at this blog, and after reading it, I have had the need to expres and help as i can, with what i know:
* Middle East has always been a land of much traffic. People in this region have dedicated to commercialize from Asia to Europe, since days of old. That means a great load of interaction, between different races, which would put in doubt a Pure semitic origin of today's inhabitants.

* The crussades would also have done an important amount of mixing.(May I seize, and tell you, something i learned during a visit years ago to Syria: the use in women of covering themselves, comes from these times, in which beautiful women would have the need of covering themselves in order to go around crusaders and who knows what or who... without the fear of being raped or taken)
and more criticly i would certainly suppose, the late colonies i have mentioned.

+So I 'd believe that my redhead chromosome, coming from MiddleEast is actually coming from Europe, who realyy knows when?, and most probably, through it's English dominion, from Ireland and Scottland, places which flourish in my dreams.

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Unknown said...

"An honour it is to have a child with red hair. —Danish Proverb": I like that - two of my sons are redheads but without the very white skin.
In Australia, redheaded males were traditionally called "Bluey". The contrariness is an Australian nominative idiom.

Bob Ryan said...

Hi, very interesting article. I'd like to correct you on one thing though; the Old Norse word "Víkingr" is NOT a verb - it is a noun. The corresponding verb is "að fara í víking".

Maureen Hurley said...

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the clarification. I remember reading or hearing this random fragment somewhere (perhaps in my Old Irish Linguistics class), then, of course, I couldn't find the original reference. And I had no practical way to look it up (since I don't speak Norse). But the term was later used as a verb in Anglo-Irish (to go a viking).

Donna Champion said...

My grandfather (Butler) was a true redhead. They called him "Pinky" Butler on Guam because he wouldn't tan--just turned pink in the sun. We haven't had a redhead in the family since him, but we're still waiting. (Lots of red in our dark hair, however.)


Anonymous said...

My father is of Swedish ancestry and I inherited the red hair gene from him.

My mother is from El Salvador of GERMAN ancestry and although she wasnt a red head, her father was.

Eric McBride said...

Your comment about earliest documented Viking attacks is incorect. There are accounts by saint Columba as early as the 6th century when he first set up the monestary on Iona. Likewise the Book of Kells, and the book on the invasions of Erie describe the northern seafarthers as ferocious fighters with one eye and red hair. They were driven out of Erie by the combined effort of the Tuatha de Danna, the sons of Milneous and the Firblog at the battle of Maug Tuired in the 16th century BCE. They were then called the Fomorii. The connection between the Fomorii and thier decendants to be the modern Scandinacians is well recieved umongs mordern historians and archeologist.

barbarossa said...

a great article, as a matter of fact , yesterday my irish friend from belfast told me the opposite of what your article is talking about... he said it's the vikings who brought the red hair gene, i will definitely make him read this article to refute his claims.

btw i am turkish but have auburn hair and verrrry red beard, i dunno how it happens...

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Barbarossa,

Thank you for your comments. I am constantly amazed by how much interest there is in the origin of red hair. This post gets a lot of traffic (and some flack too from the red-haired Viking school that can't accept the fact that red hair predated Viking invasions in Ireland).

However, red hair existed in Ireland long before the Vikings arrived. It's well attested in early Irish literature which was derived from a much older source: oral tradition.

Too much integral storyline emphasis is placed upon the Otherworld role of red hair (as well as red heifer and deer ears!) to be a post Viking invasion accretion slapped on after their arrival.

Besides, a thousand years earlier than the Viking invasions, the ancient Greeks repeatedly mentioned that the Celts were redheads. It's a strong Celtic trait. Why the Viking Irish supporters want credit for the Irish Celts having red hair is baffling twaddle.

Here's something for you: Much of Turkey was settled by Celts (St. Jerome noted that they spoke a Celtic dialect similar to the (Swiss) Helvetii who settled the Po Valley) and they made an impact in that toponyms or placenames still bear their mark—Ankara, for one. So you may have Celtic blood as well. Turkish influence postdates previous Celtic stratum.

As for your friend, consider the source—Belfast, Ulster—which has lost vast tracts of native Irish oral history at the hands of the British, especially with the Scottish implantation of Ulster. The British and Lowland Scots had a vested interest to quash any native Irish claims to the land or history—including the destruction of placenames.

So the Viking Irish redhead theory shoehorns in nicely as a neo-colonial whitewashing of history and local tradition at the insistence of the United Kingdom.


Anonymous said...

Hey all. To some of the previous commentors: I am iranian on both sides, and have jet black hair mostly but weird patches of bright red hair on my head, and a deep copper beard. My grandparents and parents all had black hair , although my father also had patchy black-red hair. On his side of the family, his geneology traces back to an ancient Lur tribe of the Persian race with arab, mongol/hazara/afghan influences. On my mothers side, they are mostly persian genes with jewish, turkish and kurdish influences. The weird thing is, my mothers side is mostly blonde with blue eyes, but my dads side is all jet black hair and slightly asian looking eyes. I would IMAGINE that the redhead gene is scythian/siberian in origin (not counting pre-historic Neanderthals who probably had red hair), with the spread of people in the russian and finnish regions, onto the vikings. Towards the east the red gene may have spread but perhaps, the chance of a red gene winning against dominant black-haired genes in the middle east and far east, would be very hard to find. Perhaps this is even the reason why afghans consider red hair lucky and men regularly dye their hair with henna. I dont know just my idea. Oh and I have no clue how Irish people could have had red hair before viking influence, unless some Neanderthals migrated and settled there long ago.

Anonymous said...

GingerME : Hi all, I'm a redhead, collar matches the cuffs ;) What i'd call a real, proper ginger. Central England, origins (via) 2 generations ago, Scotland. Sister, Mum, Grandad, the same. I've read things in the past regarding redheads being related to Neanderthals and more recently, "The Picts" ? I believe these were of Celtic origin. I know very little of this sort of thing and find in very fascinating to the origins of gingers. Maureen, have you further info regarding The Picts? I've always figured these came from Northern Europe, invading Scotland and eventually wiped out, the remainder soaked into the population of Scotland? Thanks for any input here tho. :O) GingerME

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear GingerME,

Thanks for your comments (and for your close reading!).

I never meant to write this blog, really. It sort of happened, so I didn't have a floorplan, as it were. I find little nuggets that support particular trains of thought that I want to add. But the blog is now too bulky for me to edit—it crashes, or disappears completely when I try to update it. However, I would have loved to add more about the Picts.

Your basic premise seems to be accurate.

As far as I can tell, the Picts indeed are Celtic—too many shared traits. (I can hear teeth gnashing in the cyber background now!) Also, the Romans made a note that the Belgish-Gaulish Pictii were related to the Caledonian Pictii by language and by custom-certainly they were woad-tattooed at any rate. Can I find that reference? Probably not, as it was from my Celtic Studies class notes at UC Berkeley.

The only non-Celtic caveat is that there also seem to be some non-Celtic words in Pictish. It could be loan-words, or an outbreak of Old European. Or possibly a remnant of the Bell Beaker folk?

Some argue that the Picts weren't Celtic at all because they had a matrilineal society. However, the Celts too were matrilineal at one time. So the Pictish society as we know it, may have been a moment frozen in the Celtic timeline.

Pictish rock art is strongly reminiscent of La Tène art, which seems to be a homeland of Celtic culture (Switzerland).ène_culture

The Edinburgh Museum has a fantastic collection of Pictish rock art in the basement. Check it out.

I suspect that the Pictish separatist school of thought is similar to the Viking redhead school of thought. In other words, no compelling argument has convinced me that the Picts are anything but Celtic.

I tend to go by inferences in medieval manuscripts—St. Columba, who spoke Irish, could communicate with the Picts. According to Adamnán, they used a mutually common language. No translators were involved. So if the Picts were from another culture, how come they could converse? Little things like that tend to suggest they were related.

Let me know if you find any other info on the Picts here, and perhaps, I'll make an addendum page—or rewrite the whole bloody thing in separate parts. But then I'll lose all those invaluable hyperlinks.


Anonymous said...

GingerME: Excellent, TYVM for fast response. Bookmarked and will visit for updates on this fascinating subject. I've yet to find out where, why, how. Occasionally there's bits n bobs about this in the media. Seems to make sense to me that the country with the largest ginger ratio, either IS or is very close to the source, a bit like native plants, although I understand that probability-wise, humans are a tad more random... especially the ginger ones! Great blog. TY :O) GingerME

Anonymous said...

GingerME: Just a lil snippet I just read about the picts here: This seems to fit for me in my minds eye. I was actually looking for pictures of La Tene Culture vs Pictish Rock art/drawing and came across this page. Hope its of any interest in any case GingerME ;)

Anonymous said...

Just thought I'd share that I ended up here while doing a search about why fair hair was so prized among the Norse because of a story I'm writing. Interesting and useful reading too!

Kelly M said...

Wow, this isn't a blog post, it's a doctoral dissertation! Okay, you asked why I came, so here we go. I am teaching a unit on Vikings and early Norse settlers to Greenland and the Mystery of Vinland. While thinking about Erik the Red, I began to wonder if it was true or just a myth that red-headed Irish have Danish blood. I found your site instantly when I Googled that. I am of Irish extraction and was born with red hair, though it is now blond. So if this idea were true, I would have looked forward to coming into class on Monday morning to announce that I am descended from Vikings. Ha! Thanks for dispelling the myth.

Janeen said...

I just had my DNA done and was searching-red hair-green eyes.My DNA is Northern European, under analyses it usually shows matches with British/Irish/Scottish people.

StelKel said...

For some reason the old story about red hair in Ireland coming from the Vikings popped into my mind today, and I Googled to see if it was accurate, landing on your site. I am not a redhead, but my mother and sister are both redheads, so I have the genetic potential, if not the fiery locks! (About 3/4 Irish, a mix of English, Scottish, and Welsh for the rest.)

Lois Evensen said...

Great post. I've enjoyed it.

I'm a natural redhead with green eyes and love it. It was only in grade school that I was teased. By the time I was in High School I discovered it was an asset.

I'm married to a REAL Viking direct from the oldest Viking town in Scandinavia. His family has quite a few redheads, but his old Norwegian passport says he is "dark blonde." :)

Anonymous said...

you should check out the incidence of Hereditary Hemachromatosis in Ireland and Scandinavia. Google "celtic curse." It is the most common genetic disorder among Caucasians with the highest concentrations going to the Ireland and Scandinavia. It is an untold story of evolutionary mutation that was once an advantage and is now potentially deadly.

Talk about inbreeding.

Google "Ginger Crowley" and you will see what I mean.

All "Celts" and "Vikings" should have their iron checked. One out of eight of us carry one genetic out of 200 carry us this iron problem.

liss said...

I came looking for why the image of Ireland is so closely related to red hair.

I enjoyed what I did read. I do agree though that your piece is much too long as a single post. So you might want to break it up and then just add to the bottom a series of links on "others posts you might find interesting". Though the red-haired theme seemed to continue a while (I didn't read all the way to the end) it certainly left the main body of the text being picked up again later. So I definitely think you could break the post up.

Or be a regular wikipedia contributor.

Ann said...

Thanks for such an interesting blog.

I'd like to share an experience I had in 1970 in Ballycastle, County Mayo. I was working on an archeology dig, and the crew was staying at a guest house located in front of the pier where the local fishermen launched in the mornings.(The Stella Maris-it's now a 5-star hotel.) They were still using old fashioned curraghs, so I wanted to go out early to watch them launch. But the landlords told me in no uncertain terms not to do so because, if the fishermen saw a redhead in the morning, it was bad luck, so they would not go out that day.

I always wondered if there was anything to it or if they were having me on. Have you ever heard of this particular belief?


m said...

Hi Mo! I came across your blog because I since I let my chemical blonde color grow out I was thinking of going strawberry blonde. One page after another and here I am. =) I was born with red hair but at around age five it faded to blonde. My father, who is Irish & German, inherited his auburn hair from his Irish mother. My mother, who is Irish & Danish had brown hair. The only other blondes in my family are my cousin and my great aunt, the Danish side. Their blonde hair is the type that is very light blonde. Recently some people have noticed that my hair has a reddish tint. Appalled that my bubbly blonde hair has faded to a dirty dishwater (perception is reality) blonde, I assumed they were crazy and started using purple shampoo to wash out the "brassiness." Now, I'm wondering if they were right and I'm actually a mix between red & blonde, strawberry blonde. Numerous pictures and a full on survey will commence and in the mean time I have your blog bookmarked so I can refer back to it. It's so much to ingest in one sitting but thank you for taking the time to write it.

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear m,

You're more than welcome (I was possessed by it—as if you can't tell) and I hope you find enough interesting tidbits to bring you back to this rather large behemoth of a post. It started out small, really. But the more I researched, the more amazing facts and folklore I uncovered. It's gotten so large, that I can no longer make additions or corrections as it crashes Blogger. So eventually I will need to split it into smaller posts. I will post them either before or after this post sequentially so they're easier to navigate to.

My hair was coppery red when I was young—we;re all born blond in my family, then turn dark. Mostly auburn. Or dirty brown. My hair is brown with strong red highlights. But maybe I need to rethink my baby hair color—as closer to strawberry blonde. If I ever find my baby book, and the lock of hair, that is.

You probably have a mixture of all three colors in your hair, you might want to use different dye colors and not one all over color. We used to call it streaking. Just pour out small amounts of each color and fixer in ceramic dishes and have at it with a toothbrush. IF you use the non-permanentt dye, it will fade nicely. Or go to a salon, if you can afford it.

alyssium said...

Thanks Maureen for a great post. I come from a large Irish family with so many redheads ranging from strawberry blond to auburn with all shades in between in interestingly no freckles. I don't think Scandinavia had anything to do with redheads in Ireland although possibly the Danes had contact with early Ireland and may in fact have been Celts. I think "Vikings" are a very over rated group and an invention by their interrelated royals to put forth a "mighty conquering stance." We have Swedes in our American family and many friends from Scandinavian countries and they did not in any way resemble murderous Vikings. How did the early Irish get to Ireland and why did they have Egyptian faience beads (the blue beads) in their burial sites. Hooray for redheads.

Tricia Pattinson said...

Very enlightening post. Thank you sharing, your great effort is definitely appreciated.

Please add to your list a few African American redheads..."Detroit Red aka Malcolm X" and the actor "Red Fox."

Christie J. Fox said...

I've done my family tree. My sister had red hair (now yellow), her son (my nephew had red hair). My mother's brother had red hair. Seems my great-great grandmother had red hair. My sister had grey eyes (light skinned but ruddy in that she assumed she was alergic to nylon so had deep scars in her face until she had it smoothed out. I always wondered where her red hair came from. She looked like a misfit with the rest of us having brown hair and brown eyes. now we know. Our family where the red was was from Slovakia (northern Hungary). I often wondered if I had had children when I was young if one would have had had red hair. So thank you for your lengthy and enjoyable research..

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Maureen Hurley said...

Oh daer, I neglected to comment and now I'm hopelessly behind. I will try and respond to several of you in one thread.

First, thank you so much fro taking the time to write a comment. I get a lot of sneaky spam comments with hidden links, and a few downright snarky ones. Luckily I do have veto power and don't publish them. They're always Anon!

alyssium—we too have more than our fair share of Irish redheads—in every shade. And I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Viking angle is highly overrated. It's a 19th c. Aryan hangover (the perfect Nordic race quest and all that).

Actually it was someone's comment about Vikings introducing red hair to Ireland that got this blogpost rolling. Let's just say I saw red with that kind of shallow thinking. THinking is too strong a word. No logical reasoning skills whatsoever.

Since tin was such an invaluable ore, with a low smelting point, and a necessary component to make Egyptian faience beads, the early Irish and Welsh traded with Phoenicians—so faience beads in Ireland—not so strange. Ptolemy, a Graeco-Roman living in Alexandria, Egypt, did make a map of Ireland during 2nd century AD. It was not so isolated.

Tricia Pattinson—thank you for your support. I would love to add ."Detroit Red aka Malcolm X" and the actor "Red Fox." Thanks for the info. At this point, I can't open the post to correct it. Or rather, I can open it, but can't "save' it. Maybe on a faster DSL. Mine moseys along at best.

Christie J. Fox Thank you for sharing your family story. The Celtic Boii (Bohemian) tribes were in extensive in Hungary and Slovakia. I remember being startled to find Celtic belt buckles in the museum in Budapest. Of course everything was explained in Magyar and Russian so I was language challenged. Apparently, the Celts preferred one side of the Danube, and the Magyar invaders preferred the other side of the river. No Margit Bridge in those days. The Turks who came later set up camp on both sides. I imagine the Celts and the Magyars had swapped more than spit by that point.

Anonymous said...

According to new released tests by ( Britain's DNA ) Britain and Ireland do have high amounts of redheads and the genes for red hair. You can carry the genes without having the actual trait.

The results were Edinburgh was the hotspot, and Wales nationally had the highest red heads and variants of the gene for red hair.

The map results are available from Britain's DNA.

Anonymous said...

Hi! I'm an Auburn but mt father was a true red. My theory was always that the Celtic blood mixed with Viking (and other folks the Celts came across) made red heads. Not that the gene came from our northern neighbors, but that the genetic blending created the gingers.. The Celts are also known for our dark brown/black hair.. Oh, and what's with our curls?

Anonymous said...

Dad was an Irish RedHead. Mum an Engilsh Auburn / Red. I've got a red beard and brown w/red highlishts top. Daughter is a redhead (thanks to spouses blazing redhead mom ;-)

Found a reference to ancient origins of the readhead gene that traced it back to about 25,000 BC in central Asia / Siberia among Mamomth hunters. Claims it is coincident with the origin of Y haplogroup R1b (i.e. the Celtic male marker).

So it isn't exactly a Viking thing... more a long standing Celt thing.

There are also some remnant redheads in Mongolia and other parts of Central Asia. Even China. We didn't die out, we blended in.

Unknown said...

Hi, such great history here. Actually, I came here to research freckles. As I have many beauty marks(moles) look like chocolate chip cookie/ some red spots (blood vessel realtate?)and many pathes of brown, but are more noticable in sun. I'm mistaken for phillipanes, but colombian.
Could you add South America to the article, that would be fascinating. I presume it would be similar to Carribean travels However, I have notice the freckles I have resemble more of the Asian. Many asian women walk around with umbrella to avoid the sun at all costs. I assume it's so they don't get freckles

Unknown said...

Red hair is actually a very German trait. I know this not only from my own family history going back several hundred years on my Mom's side of the family, but also from my personal studies on many sources. Even the book "Germania", written around the year 98AD, describes the Germans as having "rutilae comae" which is reddish hair. The Romans who came into contact with the Germans brought that trait into their own society, thus the now large number of red haired Italians. The Germans were described as very warlike in in Germania, and in idle times, they often dreamed of waging their next war. While that may seem to put them in a romantic light, it's actually not that awesome considering their attrition rate. They also were said to have practiced human sacrifice and held a lot of superstitions at the time. They were described as "indians" and wore very little clothing.

I'm actually surprised that people don't associate red hair with Germans more often than they do, it's actually pretty common, even the old bog bodies from Germany have well preserved reddish to golden red hair. Sure, things have changed a lot in the modern days, but there is a lot of historical, concrete evidence to support this.

Unknown said...

Great article, I'm a Turkish ginger, my dad claims Turkey has gingers because of the ancient Celtic civilization that lived in Anatolia. However we can't go that back in our family tree all I know is I'm %100 Turkish from both sides

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Turkish ginger,

Thank you for leaving a comment, I got in way over my head and the only way out of the article was through! It would be fascinating for you to do a DNA test to see what arises. YOur father is absolutely correct, the Celts did settle en masse in the northern part of Anatolia, and managed to irritate St. Paul enough for him to scold them in writing. Not that it worked. St. Jerome remarked that their spoke a dialect similar to the Helvetii Celts, so we know they were probably from Austria or Switzerland, originally. And they managed to stay a viable, intact culture for several hundred years. So you could be 100% Turkish and still have Celtic genes! You'd need to have the recessive gene on both sides of the family. What color are your eyes?

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Ross Hunter,

Sorry I never commented back I must've missed it. A few notes on Germany and redheads. What is now present day Germany now was not Germany then. Much of what is Germany now, was actually Celtic territory, not German. Especially Bavaria, and the area around Cologne.

The bog bodies were found in present day northern Germany, etc., but that doesn't make them German. We tend to use current political boundaries to define ancient peoples, and that is a false syllogism. Ahlintel Man, and others were from Lower Saxony and Schleswig-Holstein, which was part of Jutland, so they could also be Frisian/Danish/Scandinavian/Celtic bog bodies.

However, the Nienburg (and the Jastorf) had material cultural characteristics similar to Celtic cultures.... It should, as the Nienburg culture (grave goods, and weaponry) was the northward thrust of the Hallstatt culture. Some La tene influence as well. The thing to keep in mind here is that Hallstatt was NOT a Germanic culture. Lower Saxony and Schleswig-Holstein were not settled by the Germans unto the 3-7th c.s AD., considerably later than the bog-folk. At any rate, there is archaeological evidence of isolated Celtic settlements as well in Jutland.

Hair color is impossible to determine on a bog body as bog water, heavy in tannins, both leaches and stains. DNA analysis would have to be done to determine if they were redheads. Blond or grey hair would stain read in bog water, so it's not a reliable indicator.

"There has also been migration from former Celtic areas into Scandinavia .... investigations at Dosenmoor, Schleswig-Holstein, and Svanemose, Jutland, Boreas " —The Germani - Haplogroup I2b1 info

There were Celts also in the Netherlands, and many bog bodies were found near Drenthe.

The Celts lived on both sides of the Rhine. Caesar, when he was thumping the war chest coffers stretched the truth a bit (a lot). Hw said that the Gauls were an awful foe, and that the "Germans" were even worse, so he could get funding. Tacitus stretched the truth even further, both did so, to meet their own political needs—which was to get more money from the senate.

Remember, victory was written in the voice of the winners, who had a political agenda. We need to read those old texts with a grain of salt. Rhetoric.

Part of the confusion lies in the fact that the word Germania is not a German tribe, just like Teutates: both are Celtic words. Germania is actually a Celtic war cry, and Teutates, was a Celtic god.

I have read Tacitus carefully, and many of the names he uses are linguistically Celtic, not Germanic, so methinks he was fabricating just a bit. They also could have been a Celto-Germanic tribe. But culturally and linguistically, many of the peoples that Tacitus described, were Celtic, not Germanic.

As to those red-haired Italians, the north of Italy was settled by the same Celts that settled in Anatolia. Especially around Ravenna, Modena, the Po Valley, and the mountains: it was called Cis-Alpine Gaul. So yes, the red-hair gene would be dominant in the north.

Maureen Hurley said...

Hi rmpbklyn and Anon and Anon, I guess I'm more than hopelessly behind in answering your thoughtful comments....thank you for taking the time to read it.

rmpbklyn: those red spots aren't freckles, keep an eye on them, if they get weird, change shape, etc, run to the doctor. Unfortunately melanoma can hide beneath freckles, which should be smooth and flat, not raised.

Chiefio, I'm a freckle factory. I was born a redhead, but turned my hair dark by puberty. I'm somewhere between auburn and light brown. I found swaths of my hair from when I was a baby, and when I was a tweenie, yep, definitely red. MY niece, and cousins are flaming redheads, strawberry blondes, etc. Thanks, also for the R1b link. I keep adding to my knowledge base, taking it all in.

And yes, Chiefio, and Anonymous, you're both right: "You can carry the genes without having the actual trait." and "So it isn't exactly a Viking thing... more a long standing Celt thing."

Yes, South America, I do make an oblique reference to the Southern Hemisphere, that the Celtic gene traveled to Latin America, as many Celts settled there—especially in Peru and Chile, Columbian Celtic redhead (and freckle) genes could also come from the islands, especially Montserrat.

The British, under Cromwell and son, kidnapped thousands of Irish and sold them in the British West Indies and South America—especially Brazil, (where they died rather quickly). San Andrés was historically tied to England, by way of Barbados, so Irish slaves would've been sold there as well; Barbados received a huge influx of Irish slaves, as well as Scots Highlanders (called Red Legs). Rihanna is a descendent of those Irish slaves.

I would love to add more to this bloggy bit but It's gotten so overwhelmingly large, that I can no longer make additions or corrections as it crashes Blogger when I try and save it. You can bet I turn green then. TG I've learned to copy and paste the entire article in a RTF. I've had Blogger wipe this post our completely at least three times. First time I was able to snag it in a cache, and copy & paste. Then I got wise and made a backup copy.

Sweet Alyssium, I couldn't agree with you more. Vikings are way overrated. It's a bit shocking how the Viking redhead myth myth pervades to this day. I can see what searches lead people to my page, and my flabber is aghasted by some of the questions people ask. Yes, many "Danes" were Celts, Jutland had Celtic Archaeological sites, and a predominance of bog bodies. I've taken Archaeology Magazine to task on their FB articles several times when they claim 8th-12th c. artifacts as Viking manufacture, rather than stolen booty.

I know I answered your post before, but I completely missed your last question. "How did the early Irish get to Ireland and why did they have Egyptian faience beads (the blue beads) in their burial sites?" Augh, how much time do you have?

Maureen Hurley said...

Alyssium (continued):

Irish peoples were comprised of many tribes from the original peoples, possibly the Fomorians, or the Tuatha Dé Danánn, The FIr Bolgs were another group as well as the Deisl, Dumnoni, and the Briganti Look up Ptolomy's map of Ireland to see some of the other tribes/groups. Both Goidelic and Brythonic speaking Celts settled in Ireland. The last two were Brythonic speakers. P-Celtic vs Q-Celtic. Another group, the Milesians, Sons of Mil (later becomes the name Myles), arrived by sea, from what is now Galicia (Hispnaia), Amergin was the first poet to out-hex the TDD and land in Eire. This story is from the Lebor Gabala Erenn. Read with a grain of salt, or a whole shaker-ful, as the Irish monks were busy hammer & tonging Biblical bits into the story so they cold be part of the Bible too.

Archaeologically speaking, there was extensive trade between Wales and the Mediterranean, as the only decent sources of tin were from the British Isles. So blue faience beads (you need tin to flux the glass) in Ireland, are not such a long stretch of the imagination. Now, what about that Barbary ape skull found at Navan? Poor little monkey must've damn near froze to death in Ireland. That reminds me, Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants, and Celts....yep. Mercenaries for hire. SO who was knitting sweaters for the elephants? Hmm?

Unknown said...

Wondering whether the Moorish and Arab slave trade, besides that of willing trade, should also be considered as possible rational for the red gene in the ME.

Arhi Kuittinen Finnsanity said...

Mother of European culture is Finnic culture.

Blue eyed, blonde and red haired ur-culture. Finnish language is the oldest language in Europe.

"Vikings" were originally Kvens, Kveenit, the biggest Finnish Tribe years 400-1100. Popes robber barons made unholy big crusade to the Finland 1100 and ended the oldest culture in Europe which was called by Greeks Hyberborea. Finland was the last who standed against pope and Vatican.

King word is from Finnish word Kuningas.
Queen is from Kven word, "She is Kven".

Apollo cult hwrote about nordic Hyperborea the home of Greek knowledge and religion.

20 the most old written history text about Europe speaks about Hyperborea.

Blue eyed sea people destroyed Egyptian culture in Ramses III times - Ramsesses and Seth I were red haired Finnic Pharaos.

In China oldest mummies are red haired Finnic - N1C1 genetic line.
Silk road was Finnic project by these white skinned Finnic mummies.

Moscow and every big European city were originally Finnic town and commercial place.

In England there was Finnish names and Towns like Caleva.

Druids were continuing and developing original Finnic rituals but the language changed during 10000 years.

In Stone Henge there is both Moon and Sun ritually respected - that is Finnic cult, holistic feminine cult. "Hengettäret".

In Finland you can found 35 OLDER stone henges' ruins, Jätinkirkko, 5500 years old astronomical temples.

Lord Of The Rings -book is based on Finnic tales "Kalevala", Battle of the warlocks, etc.

Now you know something about the root of the European culture.

Maureen Hurley said...

LOL, Arhi Kuittinen Finnsanity, you've certainly conflated many, many cultures—not to mention time-zones, and millennia (Neolithic Stonehenge to Medieval Vikings), to support your theory, with no sustaining facts whatsoever. But thank you for your close reading, and comments.

For what it's worth, Stonehenge predates both the Finns and Celts. It was not built by the Finns (or the Druids, for that matter). Every culture on earth worships, or has worshiped the sun and the moon. And most cultures have created celestial, or astronomical temple calendars. The Finns didn't invent the idea. Whether Stonehenge was built by blue-eyed blonds, is moot.

Lithuanian-American archaeologist, Marija Gimbutas said the pre-Indo-European Neolithic and Bronze Age cultures of "Old Europe" were the builders of Stonehenge, etc.

The Greeks were not referring to the Finns when they wrote of Hyberborea. The Hyperboreans were a mythical idyllic people who lived forever, "beyond the North Wind," in a land of eternal spring, where there was no war, or strife. That definition says more about the Greek state of affairs, than it did about Finnic culture.

Whether you read the works of Homer, Pindar, or Herodotus, the Greeks were referring to Hyberborea ,a land north of Thrace, BTW. Roman historian Plutarch connected the Hyperboreans with the Gauls. Hecataeus of Abdera further claimed that Hyperborea was Britain. Pseudo-Scymnus wrote that the hero Boreas, for whom Hyberborea was named, dwelled at the extremity of Gaulish territory (Britain). Hyperborea was one of several terrae incognito. One of the unknown, unmapped realms.

Maureen Hurley said...

Arhi Kuittinen Finnsanity 2


BTW, during this timeframe there was no such thing as Finland. From the 12th c., onward, Finland was part of Sweden. When Adolf Ivar Arwidsson (1791–1858), proclaimed, "we are no-longer Swedes, we do not want to become Russians, let us therefore be Finns," the idea of Finland was born.

The term "Nordic" does not refer to Finns. As you said, Finns are another culture. Nordic means Norse. As in Norseman. It can refer to five separate countries, from Greenland to Denmark. The word Viking can mean raider or pirate, and it's not a Finnish word. There were viking raiders of many cultures, including the Irish, though the Roman term was Scotii.

The relationship between Finnish and the Indo-European Scandanavian or Celtic languages is scant, as Balto-Finnic is a completely unrelated branch of the Uralic language family. Kuningas is from Proto-Finnic *kuningas, which was borrowed from Proto-Germanic *kuningaz. Finnic, a conservative language, even preserved the Germanic normative singular case.

As to Egypt, there were Celtic mercenaries during the reign of the Ptolemys, who were Greek, not Finnic.

Nor were the Tocharians of the Taklimakan Desert Finnic. Their language, Tocharian A, was Indo-European, not Finnic, it shared many linguistic similarities with Irish, both highly inflected archaic languages. The specific sheep wool found and the style of plaid twill weaving reflects that of N. Europe, what is now Germany, then a Celtic, or Celto-Germanic region. (We know of this because of placenames, and personal names, as recorded by Tacitus, and others.)

Since you mentioned genetics earlier, by blood, the genetic bond between Finns and Swedes is closer than, say, the Finns and Irish. Haplogroup N1c is found in northeastern Europe, Siberia, and the Far East. It's a descendant of an East Asian macro-haplogroup. Uralic N1c1 is found in Samoyedic (Nganasans, Enets, Nenets and Selkups); and Finno-Ugric (Finno-Permic: Baltic Finnic (Finnish, Karelian, Estonia, etc.); and Permic: (Komi, Udmurt). Saamic (Saami), Volgaic (Mari, Mordvin), Ugric, Hungarian, and Ob-Ugric (Khanty, Masi). The Baltic Finnic branch is related to the migration of the N1c1a1a1 (VL29) group.

As to the Tarim Basin mummies, I don't know where you got your information from. Please cite your sources. The paternal lines of male remains belongs to Y-DNA haplogroup R1a1, and a later Tocharian haplogroup genetic signature is R1b-M343.

You're right that Tolkien used Finnic sources. The Silmarillion is partially based on Finnic tales recorded in the "Kalevala" (which is a 19th c. construct from folkloric fragments from Karelian, Estonian, (Baltic), and Finnish oral folklore and mythology. But it was compiled into epic verse by Elias Lönnrot, who also coined the name, "Kalevala."

Like Scottish poet James Macpherson's Ossian Cycle, so influential in the development of the Romantic movement, the Kalevala is not an authentic, replete tale unto itself. It is a quilt, a pastiche. LOTR was also heavily based on Welsh and other cultural (read Celtic, and Anglo-Saxon) mythologies as well.

The Romantic movement emphasized emotion as an authentic source of aesthetic experience, vs. rational, or Classicist ideals: not inclusive of history, anthropology, nor archaeology. It was the birth of the ideal of the Noble Savage, and epic folk hero—which ironically, stemmed from the ancient Greek writings. Full circle.

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Zed Dez,

You may be right, the the Moorish and Arab slave trade could also be considered a possible link for the appearance of the red hair gene in the Middle East. I met a Jordanian man who ran the Bolinas grocery store in California who had red hair and freckles.

chris said...

I just want to point out that the Neandethal gene for red headedness and the Human gene developed separately and are not related in any way.

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Chris,

Sorry I didn't respond to your comment earlier. It seems not all the blog comments arrive via Gmail. I found yours under a link, comments needing moderation. Thank you for your comment in regards to Neanderthal and Cro Magnon genomes. Yes they did develop separately, and we've also been told for decades, that the two DNA genomes never, ever mingled. But it seems they did. So take it all with a grain of salt.

I did not suggest in my post that they were in amy way related. I merely pointed out that the recessive redhead genetic marker is also prevalent in Neanderthal man.

"Though most scientists think that the redheaded gene is a relatively new mutation (50- to 20,000 years old), I did find a study that notes that Neanderthal Man carried that recessive genetic marker too. Some scientists think this suggests that red-hairedness may have been an evolutionary adaptation to survive in extreme northern latitudes where there is little winter sunlight." —MH

I also found this bit which may be of interest to you.

"A new study of the Neandertal genome shows that humans and Neandertals interbred. The discovery comes as a big surprise to researchers who have been searching for genetic evidence of human-Neandertal interbreeding for years and finding none. About 1 percent to 4 percent of DNA in modern people from Europe and Asia was inherited from Neandertals, researchers report in the May 7 Science. “It’s a small, but very real proportion of our ancestry,” says study coauthor David Reich of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard in Cambridge, Mass." —Science News May 6, 2010

And of course the illustration used in the article is of a Neanderthal—with red hair. Go figure.


Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Ones,

I've received an abusive comment from someone named Guls, which I've marked as spam and decided not to repost.

I find it distressing that on my personal blog, why someone who has managed to publish only one blog entry on his blogsite (extraDimensionalDarkie) in the past five years, chooses to be a such a spiteful troll and feels the need to share it with me. Speaking of idiots, Guls is not a very careful, or competent reader, yet, English is clearly his first language: He wrote "why would this idiot bring up, Australia as having anything to do with the origin of redheads.."

I never even remotely said that. What I did write was :

"Scientists agree that red hair is more common among those with genetic roots in northwestern Europe, especially Ireland and Scotland (and by extension, Argentina, and Australia—via immigration and penal colonies)."

Then Guls went all auto-erectile dysfunctional and his long-tongued comments went from bad to worse. All I can say is that a penal colony is a place of confinement and punishment: a prison, not a penis, which is what he apparently uses for a brain. And he suggested that I blow on it. Yeah, well, I prefer the pen. I guess my photo didn't clue him in? What a douche, or should I say, dildo? It seems Guls is trapped in a prison of his own making and there's nowhere left to transport him.

Guls did rase a valid comment that the layout of this webpage is atrocious. Sorry, I really have nothing to do with that. That was Google/ Blogger's state-of-the-art layout way back in 2007. Can't do much about it now, not with the prospect of losing 1750 posts in the process. There are certainly more sexy web design choices now.

As to the layout of this particular blog entry, he's right. It is a mess. But I cannot even get into this post in order to make changes, let alone, clean it up. I think it has too many embedded links. I have tried. But I can't repost the changes. They won't take. I could delete it, start over via copy and paste, but then I'd lose all your comments. so it is what it is.

I've considered turning off the comments on my blog. A few bad apples... That said, I do read all your comments, and I try to write back. I have no idea if you ever see my comments to you, but I do value you as readers and commenters. So if you've any feedback, I'd love to hear from you.


Unknown said...

Hi thank you for sharing your interesting research, my dad is a full genetic redhead and is also full German,our last name is Gutendorf, from the village in Germany that eventually turned into belgaria, My mom is also full redheaded, my gma on moms side has red hair my gpa red beared than red/brunette hair when younger, than my moms 2 other sisters one is blonde and the other is red haired but my uncle on my moms side is brunette tho. Anyways I have to extremely red headed parents, my dad is German and my mom is Scottish, I have 3 redheaded bothers, I look like my mom and dad and I have brown hair and green eyes, where my dad has green eyes and red hair and my mom has red hair and blue eyes.. Her tubes were tied from ectopic pregnancy, the doctor said she could never have kids again, than she had me with my biological redheaded dad with (DNA tested for my dad and me)because of my hair. I naturally have Brunette hair and green eyes than each year later my other 3 redheaded brothers with red hair and green eyes came from also my biological mom and dad. How is this possible with the recessive traits? Ive read about recessive and genetic traits and apparently blue eyes and red hair is rare which my mom has, but to have two red headed parents wit h a brunette kid isn't on their genetic trait chart?

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear 999bubblesks,

Is it possible for two red-headed parents to have a brunette kid? Yes.

Your mom's sisters are blonde and red haired, but your uncle is brunet, that's how it's possible to be brunette with all those recessive redheaded parents, because you are also made up of your grandparents' genes. Sounds like your maternal grandfather was auburn-haired.

Then there are your grandparents on your father's side—were they also red-headed? Or brunet? Or blonde? They were from Belgaria? Where is this? Did you mean Bulgaria? Bulgaria was heavily settled by the Celts a long time ago. And Bavaria was also Gaulish Celtic. So your dad also may not be fullly German.

Yes, you're right, blue eyes and red hair is rarer than green, or hazel eyes. Irish redheads are often blue-eyed. As are many Scottish redheads.

Sounds like your arrival was a surprise on all counts! You managed to be born, despite your mom's tied tubes, and then you were a brunette in a vast sea of redheads, which must've raised a few eyebrows. But it sounds like the DNA paternity testing proved out.

Are you really a brunette? Light or dark? Or are you more of an auburn? The chances of your having red-headed children are still pretty strong….

I had dark red hair when I was young, turned into a light brunette (not a true dark-haired one), but my hair is pretty fiery in the sunlight. All my parents and grandparents were dark haired (my grandmother was dark auburn, but with brown eyes). Most of their children were auburn-haired, and hazel-eyed.

Yet my mom, who had brown eyes, had a redish-blond blue-eyed son, who had a very, very redheaded daughter, whose daughter has hair similar to mine. Full circle.

Unknown said...

I find your article interesting. But what exactly is the point that you are trying to make? "That redhair is Celtic and not Norse".. and if so why does it matter? Do you attribute ginger hair to the Irish or what, as you emphasize repeatedly that redhair being documented/sighted well before the viking age.

Maureen Hurley said...

Dear Rex Ultimatum,

The title says it all, the Irish (and Scottish) red hair gene did not come from the Vikings, as so many are wont to say. The Irish and Highland Scots have the highest percentage of redhead genes in the world. The genesis for this post came from a Yahoo Group post where a Scots woman insisted that redheaded-ism was a Viking trait. Well, I've read a lot of pre Viking Irish literature, and there are plenty of references to redheads in the original Irish. I pulled from many sources for my Classical references. And the blog post grew and grew into a monster. I would love to rewrite it. And now I can no longer edit it at all....not even typos. But thank you for commenting on it.